Well we've finally found where all the enthusiastic Crossfire owners are in Sydney. It seems that they don't consider their cars American or in fact Chryslers. The people down here seem to be under the impression that they fit in better with the Mercedes Benz club rather than (god forbid) hang around with American car owners.

If anyone is thinking of tagging a Crossfire in Sydney in hopes they may join in on all the fun we have, don't bother, we've tried very hard but it seems that the majority of owners around here aren't interested in joining the appropriate car clubs for enjoying their cars.

David was chatting to a guy in a MB CLS last night who has a few friends with Crossfires that go along to MB Club NSW and when asked whether they would be interested in coming along to the American Mystery cruise nights, the MB owner asked 'whatever for???'

Greg

the DAIMLER M benz attitude .... yeap ... GO figure !!! they are JUST common as muck taxis in EU !!! BUT
I have it the other way round here at work .. ie benz people would NOT think of buyin a CHRYSLER ( all the neighbousr have a 3 point) .. must have the 3 point thingie or it isn't worth havin even IF they have to buy a Commercial VAN that is not even built in DE FADER land!! .. compared with a VOYAGER the "3 point" VAN not even in the same LEAGUE no matter now much money U throw at it .. IT IS NOT suitable for the wheelie job any how !!! .. THEY come from the same stable but BOY the attitude are WORLDS apart !!! they don't know what they are missin ... Blue fire you have it right any how !!! .. sorry I was not gonna bring that type of politics / gripes up in here but it had to be SAID there are some strange ONES about .. THANKS greg gave me a topic I can stay on !!!

Greg,

True, they don't know what they are missing.

I would not have thought a Crossfire would be very welcome at the MB clubs.

Keep on tagging, there may be a new recruit/member out there (maybe not too far "out there").

Kind regards,
Bluefire.

I would have thought the same as we used to be members of MB Club NSW and even new model MB's were thought of as the mongrel new crowd.

Greg

The M-B mob are a little bit precious. I guess the Crossfire buyers figure they have bought a cheap Mercedes, not an expensive Chrysler.

Then again it is much more a Mercedes than any of the Mercedes ML 4WD's. These are all designed and built in the good ol' US of A. At least the Crossfire is built in Europe, even if it is Austria and not actually Germany.

Q. How do you make a BMW driver cry?

A. Let him know his car was made in South Africa.

I think it would surprise most people to find out how closely their pedigree European car is related to some Japanese models and just where it is made.

Maybe the MB crowd are just trying to get new blood into their club. Anyone with a Ssanyong Musso, Stavic or Diplomat? All MB powered and made under licence in Korea.
Keep on tagging the Crossfires. Offer them an alternative.
Regards,
Bluefire.

back again . there is a GENT out there!!!! in western VIC .. that had two PTs .. then one PT ?? and a crossfire convertible .... that has traded that in on a 300C and he is real COOL !!!! ... so yeap there are some good ones out there .. I hope he will join us in VIC too !!!

How's this. It is from memory so may not be 100%.

General Motors

Brands - Cadillac, Chev, Pontiac, Saturn, Vauxhall, Opel, Holden, Saab, Daewoo, Oldsmobile (deceased),

Had steak in until recently Fuji Heavy industries who own Subaru. Recently got out of deal with Fiat. Partner ship with Suzuki to supply rebadged Suzuki's to US.

New Saab's being released in USA are rebadged Subaru Impreza. Will also have a version of the new Subaru Trocadero.

Holden Monaro sold in USA as Pontiac GTO

Ford

Brands - Ford, Lincoln, Astin Martin, Volvo, Jaguar, Mercury (deceased).

Controls Mazda.

Mazda 2 and Ford Fiesta build off same Platform.
Mazda 3 and Ford Focus build off same platform.
Mazda 6 will form basis for new Lincoln small car.

First new Astin Martins were based on 20 year old Jaguar XJS platform.
Jaguar S and Lincoln midsized car based on same platform.

VolksWagon group

Owns - VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda, Bentley, Lamborghini, Bugatti

Joint partner with Porsche on 4WD's

Porsche 924 series cars were designed by Porsche for Audi but Audi decided not to release the car so Porsche did under their own name.

VW went into a bidding war with BMW over the purchase of Rolls Royce and Bentley. Only after they won and paid a huge amount of money did they discover that They only bought the Rolls Royce Motors and that the Rolls Royce Brand was not owned by Rolls Royce Motors but was still owned by Rolls Royce (a different company entirely). The Rolls Royce name and mascot was then sold to BMW, leaving VW with nothing but a dilapidated factory and the Bentley Brand.

VW Golf, Audi A3, Audi Quattro and Skoda Felicia are essentially the same car. Same for Passat and Audi A4.

DaimlerChrysler

Mercedes Benz, Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge, Maybach, De Soto (deceased 1961), Plymouth (deceased 2000 something), Imperial (deceased twice but may make another comeback)

Joint developer of Smart Car. Had controlling interest in Mitsubishi.

Crossfire is rebodied previous Mercedes SLK.
300C based on old E class platform (though heavily modified)
Mercedes Vans sold in USA as Dodges.

Still has close ties with Mitsubishi and next PT, Caliber, Outlander, and some Mercedes with platform share.

Chrysler and BMW had joint engine building venture in South America before merger with M-B. Was to supply engines for Chrysler small car and new Mini

You could play 6 degrees of separation in the car industry but realistically you could do most connections in one or two.

Say that could make a good thread

They must all have the Nose in the air syndrome!

LOL - well I have the solution we just all go along to a MB cruis in our Daimler PT's. I'm sure that would go down well. I am amazed the MB guys do let the Crossfires in. Will be intersting to see what happens at the next MB show. Might have to have a look.

VERY interestin .. BUT NOT VERY FUNIE !!!
I will have to see if they have shuffled the brands when I go to the MOTOR show next week end .. or friday night if I can't wait till sunday !!

thanks for that info RT. there are 3 or 4 pt owners here in wagga and 1 in junee that are , i reckon, not interested in any car clubs. losers. have tagged 2 of them but no response as yet. if only they just had a look here.

thanks for that info RT. there are 3 or 4 pt owners here in wagga and 1 in junee that are , i reckon, not interested in any car clubs. losers. have tagged 2 of them but no response as yet. if only they just had a look here. maybe they have ang got a fright . OR maybe they are just busy with EVERYTHING .. I didn't have much time till last year .. now LOOK what has happened!! have PTitis !!

Alfa Romeo's = FORD so I've been told.

I don't like M-B cars Would you want those 'toffs' in your club anyways?

well you know how the old saying goes in relation to this topic
more money than "sence"